It's not often you get taken aback by comments made by councillors at meetings of Reading council, but this week was a real "did he really say that" moment, when a Conservative councillor outlined the reasons why his group would not support the call for promoting votes for 16 and 17 year olds.
Tory councillor Simon Robinson said that "the right to vote is more a privilege" and should be given to people in employment who have made a contribution to society.
So, if you haven't got a job, you don't get a vote.
This is a dangerous path which ends where?
People have fought and died for the right to vote, yet in the 21st century Tory party, this is still seen as merely a discretionary "privilege".
Cllr Robinson appeared to be acting as the Reading Tory spokesperson on this matter - and neither did their leader or any other Tory councillor speak against this position.
What next? If you are in a job but not deemed to be making a contribution to society? If you are a woman? If you are not a land-owner?
Essentially we were told if you have no job, your views do not count.
That such ideas still hold a place in any modern political party is quite disturbing.